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Spirituality vs. religion

Like D.G. Rossetti's poetry, the poetry of Gerard Manley Hopkins often concerns itself with the relationship between the realm of sensuous (i.e., physical) experience and the realm of spiritual meaning. Compare Rossetti's treatment of that relationship to the treatment it receives in poems such as "Pied Beauty," "The Windhover," and "As Kingfishers Catch Fire."

Postby AmandaAllen on Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:48 pm

I agree with most of what has been said in the previous posts. Though both Rossetti and Hopkins have a spiritual aspect to their work, it seems that Rossetti's concepts are broader, meaning they aren't attributed to one particular religion. Rossetti is certainly more forthright with the sensuous aspect of his writing.. it's clear that he acknowledges this side of humanity as a gift meant to be enjoyed, not as a curse meant to be suppressed.
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Postby DanWang on Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:10 pm

I found Hopkins to be in love with god, everything was a response of god to him. I did like how he had his personal questions such as why god would allow sinners to succeed in life and so fourth, but overall not nearly as enjoyable as Rossetti.

I enjoyed Rossetti's works more since he was inclined with the physical, the sensual. Rossettis worked seemed much more raw to me, instead of trying to find enjoyment through spirituality he was finding pleasure in the physical. Hedonists, but he gets my vote.
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continuing the conversation

Postby TammySeidberg on Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:11 am

As to what I have already read from my peers posts, I can not argue their points any better than they already have. I do agree with the interpretations and the presentation of these comparisons. I would like to add that a difference I noticed between Rossetti and Hopkins has a lot to do with how they write about these similar topics. I found that Hopkins wrote with more alliteration, whereas Rossetti wrote his poetry using more rhyming. I think this sets the tone, in different ways, in order to get their individual points across. Hopkins, to me, speaks more directly to religion adn his personal conection with God. I think that it is more subtle in Rossetti's poems. Nature and spirituality seem to be common themes and descriptors for their personal connections with God and their own experiences. Rossetti seems to be discussing in his poems ideas which are more concrete and can easily relate to. For example in The Sonnet:

"Your hands lie open in the long fresh grass-
The finger-points look through like rosy blooms..."

Whereas in Hopkins poem Spring he writes about nature in a different way:

"When weeds, in wheels, shoot long and lovely and lush;
Thrush's eggs look little low heavens, and thrush"

Sorry I wrote this so late, I didn't even realize what time it was by time I was ready to write the post!
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Postby jenconroy on Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:01 am

As many have stated Rossetti seems to be more concerned with the physical ('Body's Beauty') and Hopkin's concerned with spiritual. I think however, as I will mention in my presentation Hopkins is concerned with the phyiscal world rather than the physical between people. He focuses on the falcon and nature in the Windhover and mainly nature and color that are products of God's creation. Rossetti I think dotes on the natural beauty of people.
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Postby jenconroy on Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:01 am

As many have stated Rossetti seems to be more concerned with the physical ('Body's Beauty') and Hopkin's concerned with spiritual. I think however, as I will mention in my presentation Hopkins is concerned with the phyiscal world rather than the physical between people. He focuses on the falcon and nature in the Windhover and mainly nature and color that are products of God's creation. Rossetti I think dotes on the natural beauty of people.
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Postby jenconroy on Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:01 am

As many have stated Rossetti seems to be more concerned with the physical ('Body's Beauty') and Hopkin's concerned with spiritual. I think however, as I will mention in my presentation Hopkins is concerned with the phyiscal world rather than the physical between people. He focuses on the falcon and nature in the Windhover and mainly nature and color that are products of God's creation. Rossetti I think dotes on the natural beauty of people.
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